The public sentiment around the recent border clashes between Pakistan and Afghanistan is largely negative, with a significant focus on frustration towards Pakistan's actions and its historical ties to the Taliban. Many commenters express sympathy for Afghanistan, criticizing Trump’s involvement as destabilizing and accusing Pakistan of hypocrisy and being a puppet to U.S. interests. There is a strong desire for unity among the countries in the region, despite underlying tensions and conflicts.

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Afghan Taliban Foreign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi's eight-day visit to India marks the highest-level engagement since the Taliban seized power in 2021. This previously "unimaginable" visit illustrates pragmatism and realpolitik on both sides, as they look to upgrade diplomatic, political, and trade links.
The discussions focus on trade, economic ties, and diplomatic relations. Following a meeting between Muttaqi and Indian Foreign Minister S. Jaishankar, India announced it will reopen its embassy in Kabul, which was closed four years ago. Muttaqi, calling India a "close friend," also met with the Indian business community.

This warming relationship between India and the de facto Taliban government is set against a backdrop of sharply deteriorating ties between Pakistan and the Taliban. Pakistan, historically a close ally of the Taliban, is now publicly calling Afghanistan an "enemy country" due to the alleged sheltering of the Pakistani Taliban (TTP), a charge the Taliban rejects.

r_bradbury1

There's one more thing to be added to this discussion. The rare earth minerals &amp; gold mines which previously china along with pakistan were trying and now, america is after.. that's why, it's cozying up with a chamellion pakistan... Afghanistan knows this and they always remember that whenever natural calamities take effect, India is always there, tomm India has also built their government office, parliament &amp; what not? Here, this visit was  also to3 open their embassy..

Only_bliss_

The Taliban ties with Hamas are aborhant, and it treatment of women is disgusting and are a throwback to the 7th century. However in foreign policy they rule pretty pragmatically (for the most part), for example: 

-during the conflict between India, and Pakistan they pretty much claimed neutrality and called for de-esclation

- they are fighting the Khorsan provience , and seeking foreign help in the process ISIS-K is a huge problem for everybody it even more extreme at times then the main ISIS branch.

- they quietly seeked American and other nations help in the fight against the Khorsan provience 

Yes  they host Al qaeda leaders but pledged they will not be allowed to attack other nations (I really think Al qaeda attack on 9/11 caught the Taliban off guard, even before 9/11 there were talks the deobandi taliban had a odd relationship with the neo-salafi/neowhabbi Al qaeda, yet felt compelled to bot give them up as guests and fight to defend their guests, even if those guests are terrorists that killed 3,000 people in the biggest attack on us soil), regardless Al qaeda is out on a short leash and even the Taliban turned the blind eye and must of allowed the us to attack and kill Iman Al Zawarhi right in a guest house in Kanual, even Al qaeda elements have accused the Taliban of giving up Iman Al Zawarhi in some grand bargain behind the scenes.

- growing ties with India, as well as growing ties with China even refusing The Uyhgur jihadist TIP to take base and sage haven in Afghanistan, while china has slashed 89% if tariffs on afghan goods and investing in Afghanistan, of course India and The Taliban has issues ith Pakistan, with India it kashmir, with Afgjanistan it's the durand line border dispute.

- recently held talks with the Trump adminstration about a prisoner exchange and some form of normalized relation seeking economic aid, and international recognition.

-has diplomatic relations with Russia as both fear the isis linked Khorsan provience and seeking currency and trade deals

at-times with the uae and allowing emirati firm GAAN to handle security at Kabul airport, Eithad is now making flights to Kabul, as well as the UAE helping to negioate the relations between the Taliban and India that happened recently.

- the Taliban has a office in Doha, Qatar airways has been keying fscilating foreign evacuations from Afgjanistan since the 2021 ys withdrawl and collapse and the us supported Afghan milltary and government.

So for all of their wrongs (ie - the persecution of hazera shiites, the persecution and suppression of any very small christianity in the region, turning a blind eye to the Pakistani Taliban attacks on Pakistan from within Afghanistan, it ties to Hamas and praise of oct.7th), in the the area of foreign policy (for the most part), it seems to have a surpsignly pragmatic and somewhat rational foreign policy  compared to it isolationist stance, and exportation of terrorism outside of the region in their dogmatic 1996 to 2001 rule.

Psychological-Flow55

&gt;This particular trip comes against a backdrop of worsening ties between both India and Pakistan, and Pakistan and the Taliban government.

&gt;"The deterioration in ties with Pakistan also allows them \[Taliban\] to hedge their bets and show how it is no longer dependent on Islamabad for its survival - carving out an identity separate from their over-dependence on Pakistan," Harsh V Pant and Shivam Shekhawat, of the Observer Research Foundation think tank, wrote in a [piece for NDTV ](https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/why-the-taliban-foreign-minister-is-really-visiting-india-9417392)news channel.

Forget the "enemy of my enemy", it's now "the old friend of my enemy is my new friend".

~~I hope India knows what it's doing, but for now this empowers the Taliban more so than it helps India. I doubt the Taliban would turn their back on their old friend, another fundamentalist Muslim country, like India hopes, despite whatever schism is developing between them and Pakistan.~~

Edit: I was wrong, please see below comments.

ImperiumRome

They fully enslave half their population, more than 20 Million women, entirely treated like cattle. But sure, go ahead and celebrate building diplomacy with them, I guess

heytherehellogoodbye

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Also I would like to apologize in first post about this topic I made a mistake I post Pakistan-Afghanistan map and put wrong title on it . Thanks to sub member who noticed it and informed me.

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Pakistani Soldier operating an artillery gun during recent border clashes with the Afghan Taliban

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Taliban convoy of American M1117 'Guardian' armoured security vehicles (ASVs) formerly from the Afghan National Army - heading towards the border with Pakistan

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Uniform and RPG rockets from an Afghan Border Post captured by Pakistani forces.

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Dude were you sleeping for months ??? Our government has had Dialogue with these TTP and Taliban terrorists for months, they have been holding KPK towns hostage for s long time and have done  1000s of Attacks on Pakistan in 2025 , i literally see every day 10 to 20 Pakistan soldiers getting martyred by ambush or ttp blowing mosque in Pakistan every month killing 50 60 civilians.

I_warisha

WorriedAstronomer

The escalation is due to the airstrikes Pakistan did in Afghanistan as a response to anger against Afghanistan and India becoming more friendly. It doesn't have anything to do with the US.

yus456

Pahle ya btao ap ki age kya ha ta k andaza ho sake k ap ko history kahan tak ki pata ha

Real-Leader-2947

I do not understand how these Pakistani chaps always go and sit on a conspiracy and just not see it as the right thing to do

cyberderh

Nop. Why wouldn’t we escalate this is the first question? They kill our people and our own people standing against us saying dumb shi like this that we are doing this for the USA. How did USA even get involved? Did the USA tell Afghanistan to kill 16 soldiers and officers included on 8th october? Did the USA order Afghan to bomb a whole village in KPK? And now the USA ordered Pakistan to kill TTP in Afghan after all these incidents? I mean man use your brain, how did US even come into this when this is purely our war against TTP and now Taliban cuz they have been killing our people for years. So this escalation is purely due to that and TTP needs to be completely uprooted from Afghanistan now that we have the chance, even better if Taliban gets cooked too. 

And just so yk as you are mentioning China, mention Pakistan too, since Pakistan also rejected the idea of taking over Bagram base.

LevelWin6007

OP with all due respect u have the liberty of being involved in these conspiracies because u are perhaps not directly affected by the presence of taliban in Pakistan. My family is from Quetta and I can assure u that the reality is that these animals are all over the place killing law enforcement personel and civilians. U might criticize Pak foj for corruption but not for doing their job and defending the country. Pls grow up u sound like a uncle who enjoys conspiracy theories...

GoldenIbby

No, Trump is just trying to project power to his base and isn't serious about it.  They have Japan and south Korea if they want a springboard against China, and Vietnam has been discussing in the past with the US the possibility of the US using Cam Ranh bay (which ironically was an old US Navy base during the Vietnam War) since China and Vietnam have strained relations.  


The Taliban are revanchist nationalists who want "muh land" and are so brainwashed by their braindead ideology (which isn't Islam, it's their culture, they care more about their culture than Islam, or else they wouldn't ally with India, this is clear cut kufr on their part, even Muawiyah (ra) threatened the Romans when they tried to intervene in the fitna between him and Ali (ra) with an alliance with Ali (ra) and them both attacking Rome together if they tried to intervene, hence the Taliban have left the fold of Islam by allying with the idol worshippers against other Muslims).  They are also essentially armed thugs, the people of Afghanistan only tolerate them because there is peace but I would say most of them don't love them.  The only thing Pakistan can really do is fight them, they'll never stop until they get what they believe belongs to them, and no one on this side of the Durand line wants to be ruled by those jahils except for idiots who haven't been there (I have, I can tell you that Afghanistan is in worse shape than anywhere here, even bigger towns were without electricity and running water, no one in their right mind would want to live under those conditions willingly hence millions of Afghans here and only a handful of brainwashed FATA folks in Afghanistan).  I still hear jahil masjid uncles praising them (idk about now because I stopped interacting with those kind of people, most of these folks left Pakistan and weren't here during the really bad times).  


I fought there before I was a Muslim and studied Afghan history in University, focusing on the current situation (though this was prior to the US exit, that being said the Taliban hasn't changed).  I think people were naive about the Taliban before they took Afghanistan back over, but for real, they won't stop unless Pakistan makes it hurt for them to carry out attacks.  They only want to negotiate now because they got caught with their pants down thinking Pakistan wouldn't start punching back (and Pakistan can punch harder, the Taliban have a lot of NATO equipment they can use for parades but it's useless for a conventional war, meanwhile Pakistan can do both and it has a real air force, I can tell you from experience the fastest way to end a firefight with the Taliban is for jets to start buzzing overhead, the AKs stopped and they'd run and hide immediately, but now instead of hiding in civilian houses they have these nice bases built to box them in and vehicles that clearly identify them as not civilian which means Pakistan is in a better position than the US was to make them hurt without harming civilians).  


So to answer your question, the Taliban started this, they are acting independently based on "muh land muh tribal honor" and won't stop until they realize their regime will come crashing down and they'll have nowhere to run and hide this time.  There's a reason TTP hides out in Afghanistan and why no one in Swat misses them.  They just aren't smart enough to figure this out.  Pakistan is just doing what the US would be doing if Mexico for instance became a Narco State and launched attacks on US soil.  You betcha the US would be hammering anything resembling military infrastructure or political leadership.

TerryMakichoott

Timely-Today-8154

You be the judge. When the afghan fm is in india the ttp attack and kill 17 security personal including two majors and a colonel. That alone warrants an escalation. Just yesterday they killed dozens of policemen. But u do u.

Familiar-Trick9931

nlzza

What are these stupidly phrased questions? TTP has been engaging the Pakistani military for the last two years. They’re using the same weapons that were left behind in Afghanistan by the US.

Who is giving them those weapons? We have shown quite a lot of patience and restraint and asked the Taliban government multiple times to take action against the terrorist, but they continue to do otherwise.

The Taliban government feels secure, and thinks that there are only upsides to continuing this policy of supporting terrorism in Pakistan. It is high time that we impose a high cost on them.

dude-on-mission

I remember getting downvoted for saying NaPak Army is the issue

makisgenius

If Pakistan helps US get back into Bagram for the stated purpose of keeping a watch on China , it will be a self inflicted head shot .

But then Field Marshal Munir may have his own interests for retirement fund so who knows ...

Ok_Win_2906

Anyone who is is just speculation.

TTP has been attacking long before the Afghan Taliban even reclaimed power.

This is an ongoing pursuit, and by the sounds of things, it was TTP militants who assaulted across the border.

LavaPurple

A very good question. Trust me giving Bagram Airbase will have no advantage to Pakistan it will destabilize Iran which is not good for Pak. 

Also it is against China do you think we will go against China for US in 2025 ? Almost all of our equipment is chinese and they have billions of investments here. 

This is for the death of 100s of Soldiers in KP and Afg and btw Afghanistan attacked first on border not us * 
( we just did a airstrike to only target Noor Wali head of ttp in kabul first only a single bomb target even he survived bcz of his armoured lc )

Purple-Release5132

LaughWeekly963

Yes, it is. There are speculations that PK agreed to help Trump get Bagram airbase, and now this new bait of Pasni port and minerals, and earlier oil. In return, Hafiz whisky gets the coveted extension and legitimacy for his failed regime. Eliminating TTP across the border is simply not possible when they cannot eliminate less than 15k BLA militants within the borders. Talks are the only way forward, but this is not what PK wants. 40+ years of PK investment in Afgh just went down the drain.

Sorry-Enthusiasm-628

Note: This is just a question. I hate TTP and I have zero sympathies for it. Share your point of view. 
Can Pakistan afford to open war on all fronts?

Sea_Instance_8831

I don't understand why so many Pakistanis have so much sympathy for those who have been killing our soldiers and children for decades. Did Pakistan personally invite them to come and attack us? The TTP has been on a rampage, spreading chaos in our country, attacking us every other day. And the Afghan government is openly supporting them. Yet, our own people are busy sympathizing with them.

Seems like we only feel pain when something happens to our own. Right? To hell with others... we need to save ourselves first. Pakistan is giving them a befitting response and it has nothing to do with what the US wants.

sarahhhayy

No one knows for sure, but Pakistan's in a very good position to attack Talibans since the recent development. USA won't say anything because of recent ties with PM and Field Marshal, as well as his stating of taking back "Bagram Airbase". China already supports Pakistan as well as Turkey, Iran, Azerbaijan.

Opposite-Monitor-969

I don’t get why the fuck so much of the Pakistani population is filled with cucks, Afghan Terrorists have been suicide blasting inside Pakistan since decades, it is completely our right to go over there and stop it, heck, the Afghan Taliban government promotes the TTP, stop being a cuck, not everything has to do with the USA.

TheMapGeek

How exactly does that work? Pakistan has no intention of sending ground troops into Afghanistan and there’s no way the U.S. would return there either so how exactly does this help give them back control of Bagram? 

And why are you pretending like the TTP hasn’t been sheltering in Afghanistan since 2021 and carrying out attacks inside Pakistan? Are you that much of a mullah or that much of a traitor that you pretend Pakistan just woke up yesterday and randomly decided to bomb Kabul? This isn’t even the first time Pakistan has launched air strikes inside Afghanistan. It’s not like we woke up yesterday and decided to just randomly bomb Kabul. Pakistan has been extremely patient with Taliban and given them multiple warnings over the years

Viper_Red

Really stupid of pakistan to prop up the taliban in the first place because they don't know the first thing about ruling a country.

lelouch312

Why does Bangladesh care? Our geopolitical ambitions aren’t going to affect you in anyway.

Public_Ad9749

Remind me of the south park episode where the internet goes dark and Randy gets a real release when he finally gets it lol

AdClemson

Damn there really is are lots of Prius driving around in Afghanistan

Noisyfoxx

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KaYnemO

Spend every minute of their existence hating Pakistan and Iran and then they come beg for wifi, its not like there are 10 million afghan illegal refugees in Pakistan

Nice-Meeting-7476

I assume they're just getting close enough to use the cell network?  

I have wondered about the cell network there.

paperfett

Aww don’t hate Pakistan so much now do you 🥺🥺

ifuckwithitlfg

Damn when you’re escaping to Iran, there might be a problem in your country.

TenYearHangover

Mattamoto

Is this all I have to do to get my 23 year old to leave the house?

Modz_B_Trippin

Joopgunba

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asssoaka

If only they had twenty years to develop their country and prevent the Taliban from taking over

demagogueffxiv

FriendlyPawns

Bro I had people tell me Afghanistan is misunderstood and how good the gov actually is lmao. Lot of people have this notion that only western states do propoganda lmao.

beyondmash

Money-making idea: open an Internet cafe.

D3RF3LL

This is really gonna hurt the Taliban in the polls in November.   /S

justjaybee16

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anon727813

Remember, Miller is a Nazi, but Johnson is Talibangelical.

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